stewie griffin
10:30 Sun Jun 3
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Still, it's probably best I leave the final word on contract negotiations to Michail Antonio:
It's about time, eh!
"I'm only joking! I'm over the moon, I've loved my time here and I'm just happy that we have managed to get things sorted so I can move onto next season and do what I've done this season.
"I'm delighted to have signed a new four-year deal. I'd like to thank the Chairman [David Sullivan] because we had a nice little deal for this to get sorted. He's a lovely man and thanks very much!
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J.Riddle
10:29 Sun Jun 3
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Yeah I know Antonio said his best position is LW as re my earlier post.
J.Riddle 10:55 Sat Jun 2
Play him in the only position he should be played, his best position regardless of what he or anyone else thinks Right Wing.
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stewie griffin
10:24 Sun Jun 3
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Jaan Kenbrovin 10:14 Sun Jun 3
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Well your brother has just told me the budget has nothing much to do with the manager as the club apparently signs a load of players without the manager having any input (except the ones ron doesn't like, the manager signs those ones) Better message each other quickly to get that one sorted out.
And yes, I did slag off the owners. Like I did for nolans contract, as I have below for Reid, noble and Hernandez contracts. And fonte.. SNODGRASS... pat.. any number I've been critical of in their time here. Failing to meet a players demands when they're inflated isn't undermining anyone - as I said not everyone is that petty - it's simply managing the contract side of things better.
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stewie griffin
10:17 Sun Jun 3
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"Bilic was among the 3 worst managers we've had in the last 30 years."
Apart from the fact thstvhes statistically the best manager we've had I the premier league era - most points in a season, best goal difference, most points per game- it's an excellent point you make.
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Similar idiots appear to be having a pop at Antonio"
No one has had a pop at Antonio. He's overpaid. That's not his fault. It's symptomatic of the idiots that run the club. Have a few good games and get a shiny new contract. Twice. Reid and Nobles contracts are similarly idiotic, although more in length than weekly wage.
"These same idiots would sell Antonio for peanuts"
Actually I'd have sold him to Chelsea when they were interested for 30-35 million. Said so at the time. Sell at peak value. Always.
Amazing, absolutely everything in your post was wrong. No wonder you're a bald virgin living alone in a bedsit with only a picture or eerie descent for company.
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Kaiser Zoso
10:15 Sun Jun 3
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Bilic was shit Mike, no matter how you dress it up
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Jaan Kenbrovin
10:14 Sun Jun 3
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No, Griffin, it isn't.
The manager is in charge of squad matters. The club has a budget, and the manager has to decide on the use of it. That doesn't equate to little or nothing to do with negotiations and especially on whom they retain.
You basically slagged the owners off for not having the foresight to undermine Bilic by cashing in on a player he wanted, and even blamed the influence of social media on the decision to give him a new contract.
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Takashi Miike
10:13 Sun Jun 3
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Bilic had a better win percentage than Moyes, Grant, Roeder & Zola so the three worst manager bit is wrong
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Vexed
10:09 Sun Jun 3
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There's no possible way Bilic could have bought Payet. Probably Lanzini too. I'm a bit tired of hearing lazy argument from idiots that seem to want to forget Bilic was among the 3 worst managers we've had in the last 30 years.
Similar idiots appear to be having a pop at Antonio because someone else decided that he was worth x pounds a week. Pretty fucking dumb argument really.
These same idiots would sell Antonio for peanuts off the back of a season where he was injured for most of it, just as he's getting back to fitness. I assume these idiots are not very good with money.
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Kaiser Zoso
10:02 Sun Jun 3
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West Ham bought Ogbonna, Obiang, Payet and Lanzini before Bilic got hold of what was going on.
It’s a shame Bilic lasted as long as he did. We’d have a team of Snodgrass's, Fonte's and Arbeloa's
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stewie griffin
9:56 Sun Jun 3
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Well that's pretty much what I've said isn't it? The wage is ludicrous, and the manager has little/nothing to do with negotiations. He wanted Hernandez as well. His wage is ludicrous. If the owners ate going to run the club as they do - and spend their first two years here telling everyone about the 'rubbish' contracts they inherited, I'm pretty sure they're culpable when they write rubbish contracts. The only constant in their time here is them - they wrote plenty of rubbish contracts when bfs was here as well
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Jaan Kenbrovin
9:52 Sun Jun 3
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Haha. No I haven't, Griffin?
I have pointed to the fact that IT IS YOUR OPINION that the board (and social media) are soley to blame for giving him another contract and not selling him, ignoring the fact it was the wishes of the manager to keep him.
I agree the wage is inflated for someone I don't rate very highly, especially against those you can compare, but it was Bilic that played him, wanted to retain him and didn't get the club to sell him. Yet you attribute that as mismanagement from the board whilst denying any blame of the manager?
I differ in thinking they were both to blame.
HTH
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stewie griffin
9:51 Sun Jun 3
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The only one pretending he didn't sign players is you
Good little hat trick though
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Kaiser Zoso
9:47 Sun Jun 3
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Tore
That probably wasn’t him though
The stadium probably was to blame there, and that’s why he never ran around as much as the opposition
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Kaiser Zoso
9:42 Sun Jun 3
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I’ll give you Arbeloa though, Nordtveidt, Zara, Calleri
Fletcher, fuck me how much more of a clueless cunt do you need a manager to be
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Kaiser Zoso
9:40 Sun Jun 3
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Like fuck
They were being bought before he started
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stewie griffin
9:40 Sun Jun 3
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He did indeed.
He also bought Payet and Lanzini. Although I'm imagining he only bought shit ones in your mind...
On the plus side, we bought PAT and Jordan HUGILL since he got the tin tack, so it's good to know that without his clueless hand on the tiller our transfer strategy looked up.
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Kaiser Zoso
9:37 Sun Jun 3
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He did buy a load of shit that didn’t last a year though?
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stewie griffin
9:21 Sun Jun 3
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I'm all over the place? In yiur second paragraph you say it us ridiculous spin to blame the owners for our ludicrous transfer and wage policy, and in your third paragraph you blame the owners for our ludicrous transfer and wage policy..
There is no spin or defence, because I put 100% of the blame for our transfer and wage policy at the owners feet. You do the same in your last paragraph. The only person linking a manager into the ludicrous transfer and wage policy is you. Bilic has fuck all to do with it.
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Jaan Kenbrovin
9:17 Sun Jun 3
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You're all over the place, Griffin. I'm not criticising Bilic here at all.
I'm trying to point out the ridiculous spin (in your desperation to defend Bilic) to blame the owners for giving a wanted player that was top scorer and HotY a new contract.
Of course his place in the side and good form was down to Bilic's use of him, but had he not have wanted to keep him i'm sure we would have listened to bids, the same as we did for quite a lot of players that went out of the door under him.
Our transfer policy and wage structure is shit though, and the board take blame for that before any managers influence. The fact you'll blame social media before Bilic though is fucking laughable and bizarre. You wouldn't have used that as an excuse when we had Allardyce.
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stewie griffin
8:52 Sun Jun 3
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As for the 'bloke who bought him' - let's get one thing absolutely clear, West Ham United Football Club under Slaven Bilic is the best thing that's ever happened in Michail Antonio's career. He reached levels of performance at this club, under that manager, that he hasn't even come close to either before or since.
If you want to obsess about blaming him for everything- try Ogbonna and Arnie - both of whom were absolutely dire under bilic but improved dramatically under Moyes0.
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stewie griffin
8:49 Sun Jun 3
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Is anyone looking to actively sell arnie now? Did man utd actively look to sell Ronaldo? Did the BEAKY cunts actively look yo sell bale?
No. But sometimes when an offer comes along, you may be better off accepting it, rather than just throwing ludicrous sums of money at people who aren't worth it just to keep the social media lot happy. The art of knowing when to sell is part and parcel of running a successful club, which the owners have never managed despite countless years of trying.
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